RTB: What is troubling Africans – HIV or Malaria and Poverty? What are the results of excluding non-HIV positive children from medical treatment? This hidden camera interview in Uganda tells the story. This interview shows a reality you’ll never see in the Western press.
Independent researcher Ricci Davis interviews a technician working at Mildmay AIDS Clinic in Uganda. The text is taken from undercover video Davis took in Uganda. Thanks to RTB volunteers for the transcription.
Note – Toxic drugs given to hungry people, starving people who do not test “positive” turned away, exclusive funding of “AIDS” therapies versus infrastructure development, and – force-feeding toxic drugs to children who do not want, or cannot tolerate the drugs. The drugs are fed through tubes put through the nose into the stomach.
Investigating Infanticide – Mildmay AIDS Centre, Uganda Part 1:
This video has been temporarily removed, to protect the identity and rights of the interviewee.
AIDS Clinic Technician (fit and healthy Ugandan man in his early 30s): “I have a relative. He’s HIV positive. When he got the ARVs [antiretroviral drugs, AIDS drugs] for the first time he developed some of these things that I have read here. So they told him to stop them for two months without taking anything. All the skin was full of rash and swell.
Question (Ricci Davis, off-camera): And how did they determine that that was the result of the drugs and not the virus?
Answer (Technician): It was the result of the drugs and not the virus. [The technician is reading the FDA manufacturers label for the drug containing Nevirapine (brand name Viramune)]. I think that was the cause.
Q: What was your cousin’s condition while he wasn’t taking ARVs or any other medications for two months.
He was not feeling bad but when he took this type of drug is what I suspected is where the cause came from. He started feeling funny – hypersensitivity, body reactions skin rash. And when it is taken without those combinations [when it is taken by itself] it can also cause some of the body organ is not going to function right. It’s what I can see here.
And then when it is taken without those combinations it can also cause some of the body organs not to function well. It’s what I can see here.
Video image: Referring to list of possible side effects of Triomune,
“Warning…severe, life-threatening skin retains, including fatal cases, have occurred in patients treated with nevirapine. These have included some cases of Steven’s Johnson Syndrome, toxic epidermal necrolysis and hypersensitivity reactions characterized by rash constitutional findings and organ dysfunction. Patients developing signs of symptoms of severe skin reactions or hypersensitivity reactions must discontinue nevirapine as soon as possible (see warnings)”
Q: Do you see those side effects appearing among the patients at Mildmay (clinic?)
It is common.
Q: Do they die, or?
Sometimes they don’t. Anyway, I haven’t ruled out there there are some who died because they started ARVs, no. But I have a clear evidence: my cousin.
The first week he started the ART (anti-retroviral therapy) he developed those symptoms and signs I have read here.
Q: Everybody who goes to Mildmay has to be medicated?
Once he’s in critical condition. Usually the kids are in critical conditions. They come in critical conditions. And when they are in critical conditions they don’t start ART immediately. They have to first do other things.
Q: Some food…supplements?
Then after some time after the child has stabilized they start.
Q: Would it be true to say that the overwhelming majority of these children who come into your care are malnourished when they arrive?
Yeah, they come… yeah that’s the commonest thing. They come when they are malnourished. And there is no way somebody can stat ART when he’s malnourished.
Especially when it’s a kid..
Q: Is it understood that the CD-4 count is low because of the conditions of poverty and malnourishment?
No, the CD-4 goes down, because the children have not yet started the ART. And even the feeding is not well. The kid is not getting enough…a good diet.
[Video subtitle: T-Cell counts may be less reliable measures of immune function than previously believed. A study by the WHO demonstrated that persons who test HIV negative can have counts bellow 350 cells/per/ml, a number that according to WHO guidelines, qualifies for an AIDS diagnosis in persons who test HIV positive. (JID, 194, 1450, 2006)]
Q: These things seem to go hand in hand. Malnourishment and the CD-4 count?
Malnourished and the CD-4 count and the viral load.
Q: But the viral load manufacturers state the the Viral Load test is not to be used as a screening test for HIV. This is the manufacturer’s statement.
[Video: Davis is handing over the original package insert for PCR used for testing “viral load” from Roche Systems: “PCR is not intended to be used as a screening test for HIV or as a diagnostic test to confirm the presence of HIV infection.” Yet the arbitrary results from PCR are routinely used to medicate patients with immuno-destroying drugs for life.
[laughs] Even…when you read the books the science can tell you that the viral load test is not viral.
Q: Is this not compelling evidence from the manufacturers?
[Reading the Roche Labs PCR manufacturer’s label]: “Is not intended to be used as a screening test for HIV.” That’s right..
Q: Is it recognized among those people doing the testing that there are 70 factors that cause positive results.
Yeah they even have those cases where they are testing positive and yet someone is negative. It can test positive on “Determine” [brand HIV test kit] and other kits, negative.
Q: Are the people doing the testing familiar with what the 70 factors that cause positive results are – like TB pregnancy, malaria? [List on screen “Factors known to cause positive HIV antibody test results”].
Yeah, they…some of them…malaria, some of the treatments of anti-malaria. So many things, but…sometimes they’re ignored. Once you see “positive,” eh! Once you see the strip is positive! Ay ay ay! Gone.
Q: What happens to the children who arrive at Mildmay, and they’re presumed to be HIV negative.
When the child is proved to be HIV negative, definitely, she or he will be discharged out of the program.
Q: And what will the outcome be for the child in question?
The child is…they will be there with the parents, suffering still. The organization cannot take care of somebody who is HIV negative. Several times, because when the child is malnourished, they will tell you that your child is not HIV positive, so what you do, you go to the hospital and treat malaria.
They don’t interest for HIV negative children. yes. They can’t take care of that one.
Q: They’ll also be discharged?
That’s the problem.
Q: In Africa:
yeah…They give out blankets and mattresses to HIV patients, HIV children only. And the mosquito nets. If you are HIV negative they cannot give you a mattress. They cannot give you…
When the donors [those who give supplies to Mildmay Centre] bring those things, mattresses, mosquito nets, jerry cans [a strong container for liquid fuel], food, beans; those things, they are there, but they are specifically for HIV patients. Even mattresses and mosquito nets. They are given only to HIV patients. If your child is negative you don’t have any access to get even a single seed of a bean.
[Video: Interviewer Ricci Davis is showing the technician page 7. of Uganda Child Verbal Autopsy Study 2007, prepared by Uganda Bureau of Statistics (endorsed by USAID)].
The five leading causes of death in children under five years in Uganda are: Malaria,
Perinatal and early neonatal conditions 18%
These five accounted for 74% of the total death of children under five years of age].
Even 32% every ear is low (regarding the malaria statistic); It is very low. It is even 60%. Sixty percent. Below five years.
Let me tell you a story. I was in Koholo Hospital, where I did my internship after school. We used to get kids every day with malaria. More than a hundred. And (of) the hundred, forty will survive.
But sixty will die. In an interval of a week the child has malaria, and she’s malnourished. You understand? This one should be 60%, let me tell you.
HIV should be like 4%. Even 3%. HIV is the one which, I think,let me say that is the more funded, even that organizations you are seeing there, up there – can you see it there (pointing to a sign on nearby billboard)?
You can come here and see. [points to the Joint Clinical Research Center (JHRC) in Uganda]. You can see the building is up there. They are too much considering HIV to be a serious killer disease than any other things like malaria. All of the organizations [video: “over 7000 in Uganda”] are concentrated in the last point (HIV).
It should be 3%, the children who are dying of HIV. It should be 3%, not six (percent).
Yes, [it is] common. Some one with HIV coming with the four pluses of malaria.
Video Tape 2:
Q: Is it true that those who have tested positive are looked after, and…
Yes, and those who tested negative and they have other diseases, minus HIV, they will be discharged. You understand? That’s the thing. It’s not a joke.
Q: Is it like that because of the ignorance of the government?
Yeah, it is done because of the ignorance of the government and the ignorance of the donors. When you give me money to take care of the HIV patients, you are my donor. I will look for HIV patients alone.
Because in the constitution, or in the papers we sign, I am supposed to look for HIV patients. So I’ll not include anybody who is HIV negative. My intention will (be to) look for HIV patients.
People need to be informed.
Q: Who needs to be informed, the families?
The people who are receiving the donor money and even the donors. Both. They want to be informed about these things. And let me tell you. African countries, they can easily take care of themselves, minus the donors.
You told me that Zaire, the so-called Congo, is gifted by lots of minerals, the minerals which they make the computers, for phones…every kind of mineral. But it’s considered to be the poorest and the people living there is the poorest people. They’re even misplaced.
Q: You told me there was a colleague…
Yeah. We we are working with him, but for him, he’s basically in rural clinics. He’ll come once in a while in a week. The comment, he said that ARVs has… just the only one comment he made: “ARVs have done more harm than good. They are not solving anything.” It is what he said.
Q: Are you in agreement with each other?
The agreement with him? Yes. ‘Cause when you look at the internal organs, they are affected by ART [Anti-retroviral Treatment – AIDS Drugs]…What should we do?
[Video Subtitle: “Referring to list of possible side effects for anti-“HIV” medication (Septrim) given routinely to healthy people who happen to test antibody positive on ‘HIV test kits’.” ]
[clinical reads]: “Neutropenia.”
[Video Subtitle: “a hematological disorder characterized by an abnormally low number of neutrophils, the most important type of white blood cell.”]
[Video Subtitle: “The presence of relatively few platelets in blood.”]
Others are leucopenia.
Q: What’s leucopenia?
Leucopenia is the lowering of the lymphocytes in the body.
Q: The hallmark of “AIDS” is T-cell decline, so then why is it deemed necessary to give people a drug that causes the opposite?
(laughing) I don’t know!
Q: It’s controversial.
Yeah, it is.
Q: And yet, among how many patients does it happen that their CD-4 count comes down after being treated with Septrim?
So many of them. But it’s not discovered by many. It is discovered by the people who critically read (pointing to the drug fact sheet).
Q: Have you ever read one of those before? (referring to drug fact sheet).
Never. I have just seen it.
Q: Are they not prescribing Septrim at Mildmay?
We are doing.
Q: You mean to say that everybody is unaware that taking Septrim under the illusion that it’s supposed to keep CD-4 counts higher and that it’s essential causing the CD-4 counts to go down?
They are not aware.
Q: Do they have access to these insert things? Are they kept away from them?
It is a challenge to the pharmacists…to those who give out drugs to patients. It is a challenge.
Q: What’s the basis on which to prescribe?
Their intention is to reduce the opportunistic infections. That’s the intention everyone knows, but when we are fighting for reducing the opportunistic infections and yet we are reducing the CD-4, And the following morning we are introducing the ARVs, because the CD-4 has gone down. But we didn’t know the cause.
Q: Is it also recognized that the ARVs cause leucopenia, T-cell depletion?
No. Yes, we have these pharmacists who make these drugs. They also put a caution…that this drug, it is toxic. But all of us, what we know, that we don’t have any alternative, however much they are toxic.
Q: Do the patients know that they have an alternative?
Ah, no. You cannot sit and discuss with a patient like the way we have done with you for several times and you tell the patient, “You know what, you know these drugs are not easy to be taken, they cause this and this.” Even the counselors don’t read these protocols. They just say, “You know these drugs are not easy to be taken. They bring side effects, like such and such and what have you. So what you have to do when you depart from drugs, it means that you have departed from life. So, to keep your life, keep taking the drugs.”
And for the long run, you affect the body organs. When somebody is still stable it’s not good to start ART, to start anything, whether Septrim, or…while somebody is stable. I think they are best advised to go and they live and they try to feed [eat] well and not starting an ART program. It should be the best thing.
They emphasize them to feed [eat] well, because some of them, they don’t have money to take care of themselves well.
Q: How long can those without the means to support themselves be expected to live?
Of course, when somebody has no money to feed well, he will die very soon.
Q: And they are dying anyway?
They die because some of them are abandoned, some of them are stigmatized. But for those who have money, they live longer. They don’t have stress for social issues like paying school fees.
[Someone who] has the kids; the kids are demanding the school fees; he’s going to leave them. He’s going to die the following year or the following day. He hears it in the mind: that anytime I’ll die and I leave my children to suffer. Even that pressure can cause somebody to die.
Q: Could it be possible that those people who have the means by which to feed themselves are surviving because of the food and not the ARVs?
[scene changes to outdoors]
Q: There was this woman called Flora, says she’s done courses at Mildmay over the years and that children at Mildmay are forced to take their ARVs. Is that true?
Yes, because they cannot decide for themselves whether to take or not. So they have to be forced. She’s right. They have these tubes… the catheters, in the nose.
Q: Isn’t that being forced?
Not forced, because… even those who are not eating, they have tubes, so if the child refuses to take, still they will use that one until the child accepts to take.
Q: Is there any other reason they are using catheters?
Those who are unable to take and those who don’t want to take. Yeah.
Video Subtitle: “In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation.” –Prince Philip; Reported by Deutsche Press Agentur (DPA), August, 1988.