For Gay Men, Even HIV Negative is HIV Positive

Below please find my 2003 interview with Dr. Dan Cohen, M.D. of Boston’s Fenway HIV/AIDS Clinic. (The interview was part of my research for The AIDS Debate series). You don’t have to guess where the clinic us located – no, not in Newton or Wellesley, home to the beautiful (straight) people. Yes, the clinic sits at the gateway to the beautiful and gentrified South End where a majority of young, urban, successful, working gay men make their homes and living.

The images you see interspersed are not parody ads created for this post – this is the face of Fenway Health’s public relations outreach/propaganda for its community. Talk about targeting a population….

Liam Scheff: What’s the process at the Fenway when someone tests positive for HIV?

Dr. Cohen: When someone is tested positive, they get counseling before and after, regarding the test process, they’re counseled regarding the possibility of getting a false negative when they’re really HIV infected.

Liam Scheff: How do they get a false negative?

Dr. Cohen: The HIV test is testing for antibodies, not for the presence of the HIV virus itself.

Liam Scheff: How does that equal a false negative?

Dr. Cohen: If a person has become infected recently their body might not be making antibodies yet. This a problem if someone has become infected in last several weeks.

Liam Scheff: Do they get counseling regarding false positives?

Dr. Cohen: Well, this is less of a problem than it used to be because of the way the test is conducted. The first test is a regular screening test, called the ELISA, which is looking for antibodies against HIV. It is fairly specific, but not 100 percent. None are 100 percent.

Liam Scheff: I’ve read that ELISA tests are as much as 80 percent nonspecific.[1]

Dr. Cohen: Well, new tests seem to better. If the ELISA is positive, then they‘re retested again with the ELISA. If they test positive a second time, they move to a more specific test called Western Blot, which more specifically tests against certain antibodies against the HIV virus.

Liam Scheff: You’re diagnosing HIV based on two tests, the ELISA repeated twice and the Western Blot. If it’s a faulty test, what’s the purpose of repeating it?

Dr. Cohen: Sometimes it might turn up positive for reasons that don’t have to do with the test, such as human error.

Liam Scheff: But if the test itself is faulty – I’ve read that the ELISA test reads blood only after it’s been diluted 400 percent. But if it tests undiluted blood, then everybody’s blood tests as HIV-positive.

Dr. Cohen: Yeah, that’s the way the test works.

Liam Scheff: I’ve read that the Western Blot is faulty, and that it picks up many nonspecific antibodies.

Dr. Cohen: If it’s conducted by a lab that knows what it’s doing, it’s not likely to be a false positive.

Liam Scheff: What if the lab doesn’t know what it’s doing?

Dr. Cohen: Then anything is possible. If you don’t have confidence in your lab, then you can’t have confidence in your test results.

Liam Scheff: The Massachusetts Department of Public Health records the number of HIV-infections in the State last year [2001-2002] at 3,184. Their report states that “327 people reported with AIDS in Massachusetts died.” [ed – The report adds that this number includes deaths from motor vehicle crashes, drug overdoses, and suicides.] [2]

Dr. Cohen: That’s absolutely correct. I think a lot of people have an inflated idea of the impact AIDS is still causing today. But that doesn’t mean we should dismiss it.

Liam Scheff: No, we shouldn’t dismiss it. But we‘re constantly told that it‘s an epidemic. Why do we call it an epidemic?

Dr. Cohen: We shouldn’t be focusing our view on the U.S. because worldwide, AIDS is killing millions.

Liam Scheff: What do you think of the amfAR ads on buses which say “1 million treated – 40 million to go.” Is this part of the reason people have an ‘inflated idea of the impact AIDS is still causing today?’[3]

Dr. Cohen: Just because people have an inflated idea of AIDS today, doesn’t mean it’s not a huge problem.

Liam Scheff: You said it’s not.

Dr. Cohen: But AIDS disproportionally affects young people.

Liam Scheff: The majority of people infected in Boston are in their 30’s in 40’s.

Dr. Cohen: But the majority of people who are going to be infected are in their teens and twenties.

Liam Scheff: How do you know that?

Dr. Cohen: Because we’re seeing increasing number of other STDs in this young population, and it’s only a matter of time before HIV appears. That‘s especially true among people of color. That’s the reason it’s an emergency. The most important thing, just because we’re not seeing the numbers, doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t pay attention. It’s lurking beneath the surface; we must continue with the prevention message and strategies.

Liam Scheff: What are good prevention strategies?

Dr. Cohen: Condoms are the most important strategy. There are many people at risk who won’t use condoms. Avoiding anal sex without a condom would be another. Limiting the number of partners. Getting tested regularly for other STDs and getting tested for those will reduce the incidence.

Liam Scheff: What do you say to scientists who question the validity of the HIV=AIDS hypothesis?

Dr. Cohen: I’ve heard this HIV not equal AIDS message for years. I’m satisfied that the virus Montagnier’s and Gallo’s virus causes AIDS.

Liam Scheff: Montagnier disagreed. He’s stated that HIV, on its own cannot cause AIDS.

Dr. Cohen: I respectfully disagree; I’m satisfied that every who gets AIDS is infected with HIV but not everyone who has HIV will get AIDS.

Notes:

[1] HIV tests are non-specific and poly-reactive (they react with proteins produced from dozens to hundreds of conditions (the list is ever-expanding), including poverty-related ailments, TB, malaria, vaccination, and pregnancy. [Read more about ’em]

[2] Massachussetts Department of Public Health HIV/AIDS Statistics 2002 [Link]:

“In 2001, 327 people reported with AIDS in Massachusetts died. Seventy-two percent of these deaths were among men, 47% were among people of color, and 55% were among people who had injected drugs. By comparison, the profile of people recently diagnosed with HIV infection (1999-2001) is comprised of 70% men, 58% people of color, 24% among injection drug users.

One should note that the death data presented in this analysis include all deaths among people reported with AIDS in Massachusetts. This includes deaths from non-HIV related causes such as motor vehicle crashes, drug overdoses, and suicides. Therefore, the total number of annual deaths reported here will vary slightly from the number of HIV-related deaths reported in Massachusetts Deaths by the MDPH Bureau of Health Statistics, Research and Evaluation.”

There were 14,499 AIDS-related deaths in the US in 2001. In 2000 it was 16,765. AIDS is not in the top 15 causes of death in the US. Total AIDS-related deaths since 1981 [as of 2002/2003] were 467,910.] By comparison, in 2001 alone, 699,697 people died of heart disease, 553,091 of cancer, 71,252 of diabetes and 97,902 of unintentional injuries.

[3] AIDS figures in Africa: HIV testing for sub-Saharan Africa occurs almost exclusively at antenatal clinics. Left-over blood samples from pregnancy clinics (where young women are being screened for syphilis) are tested with a single ELISA or rapid antibody test, and the results are extrapolated to the national population by algorithm.

UNAIDS gets its Africa figures through a computer modeling program called EPI-model; the organization has repeatedly been forced to retract estimates from its computer modeling program for Africa, EPI-Model, because its numbers are pure mathematical inventions, with no basis in reality.

2 thoughts on “For Gay Men, Even HIV Negative is HIV Positive

  1. It is pathetic that several people who support the AIDS theory fail to accept that their theory is a dead horse and must be abandoned. A lot middle of the road micro-biologists and medical doctors simply accept the theory withouth question because there is a lot of funding to the dogma. How stupid can statistics be – 70% of those affected by HIV are male this disparity can only happen if men are sleeping with men and if the population is biasedly homosexual.

    The majority of them speak of Africa as if they have been to Africa, yet they know nothing about the continent. If 40 million people are affected by HIV and at the same time they are not accessing the medication they require, due to wars and economic isolation, then why is the population in Africa growing? Where are the graves? It seems at every turn we question these AIDS experts, they always come up with simplistic answers and we are supposed to accept them – NO, nomore! We questioned the logic behind testing for the presents of antibodies, because when one is infected with the herpes virus or the chickenpox virus, they are likely to have antibodies prevelant in their systems all the time – suddenly we started to hear the term “antibody specific” implying that there are antibodies specifically ment for the HIV virus, of which we doubt very much since such a term was coined in to suit the theory.

    When many peole discovered that the AZT drug they were being given poisonous drugs that were actually killing them – people protested and a lot of people went off those drugs, their health improved and they have so far refused to go back on any AIDS cocktail, it has been almost ten years for most of them and majority who live clean lives are surviving and going strong.

    Almost all people who live clean lives and are diagnosed HIV positive and refuse to take the meds seem not to progress to AIDS – now the establishment have come up with the term non-progressors.By this they mean people who are positive but do not progress to HIV – it seems they are the majority! Funny how they never stop to think thir theory is wrong – which to me is very unscientific, unprofessional and unacceptable. The Governments of the world are failing the people.

    Governments have a duty to question these anomalies, they have no purpose accepting one side of the story and rejecting what the other brilliant minds in the science of micro-biology are saying. Their duty is to bring the two schools of thought together nad seek a concensus or alternatively commission an independent study, and not to take one side.

    In any case it is now an open secret that Robert Gallo is a thief, a fake – stole Montgnier’s sample and claimed he had found the cause of AIDS, it is an open secret that his findings were not reviewed by other specialists in micro-biology, it is an open secret that the other brilliant minds reject his hypothesis, it is an open secret that he concluded before the fact that the virus was sexually transmitted – simply because the sample of the virus was taken from a person who was gay. Right from the begining the theory was surrounded by value judgements uncharacteristic of academic research at that level.

  2. Well, governments won’t be doing anything because it’s present day governments which are causing the problem… in order to create more federal funding at the expense of the citzenry. No country in the west has has a true common law government of the people with an honest money system since the early 1900s. They all have a federal overlay since this time, and money has gone from being backed by gold and silver, to being fiat paper currency printed out of thin air. All any government agency has to do is create a problem to instill fear in the population, a demand to do something about it, for money to then be borrowed/printed from private central banks, which is then owed back at interest. It’s all about creating a false war on something so as to get free money, which the citizens pay back through taxation. It won’t be until we understand how de facto federal governments operate, based on fear and fake wars, that we will return to de jure governments of the people, with honest non-inflatable money, and we will no longer let ourselves fall for these sort of lies.

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